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Jonathan Dowdall asked about Witness Protection Programme three months after Regency murder

Dowdall was about to board a plane to go to see his sister in Dubai when he was arrested for the murder of David Byrne.

Jonathan Dowdall gave evidence during the trial of Gerry Hutch accused of murdering David Byrne at the Regency Hotel

Gerry 'The Monk' Hutch

David Byrne

Alison O'RiordanSunday World

Ex-Sinn Fein councillor Jonathan Dowdall, a former co-accused of Gerard 'The Monk' Hutch who has turned State's witness, asked a garda "is there any way out" and "if him and his family could get into the Witness Protection Programme" in the days following his arrest, the Regency Hotel murder trial has heard.

The Special Criminal Court has already heard that the status of Dowdall's Witness Protection Programme (WPP) application remains unknown and that a decision will not be made until the middle of this month. Before Dowdall took the stand on December 12, a Detective Superintendent from the WPP, testified that the key witness's assessment for the WPP was "ongoing" and was "completely independent" from the evidence he gave to the court.

Gerry Hutch (59), last of The Paddocks, Clontarf, Dublin 3, denies the murder of Kinahan Cartel member David Byrne (33) during a boxing weigh-in at the Regency Hotel on February 5, 2016.

Hutch's two co-accused - Paul Murphy (61), of Cherry Avenue, Swords, Co Dublin and Jason Bonney (52), of Drumnigh Wood, Portmarnock, Dublin 13 have pleaded not guilty to participating in or contributing to the murder of Mr Byrne by providing access to motor vehicles on February 5, 2016.

Giving evidence today, retired member of An Garda Siochana Michael Mulligan told Fiona Murphy SC, prosecuting, that he was involved in the investigation into the murder of Mr Byrne when he attended Terminal 2 at Dublin Airport on May 17 2016 and observed Jonathan Dowdall in the company of his family.

Mr Mulligan said he observed Dowdall "clear security" in Terminal 2 before he approached him, identified himself and arrested him for murder with a firearm at the Regency Hotel. Dowdall was detained at Clontarf Garda Station.

When Dowdall was under cross-examination for seven days by Mr Hutch's defence counsel Brendan Grehan SC before the Christmas break, the ex-politician said he had gone through security in the airport in May 2016 and was about to board a plane to go to see his sister in Dubai when he was arrested for the murder of Mr Byrne.

Dowdall later told counsel in his cross-examination that he was booked to go away to Dubai saying: "I wasn't coming home, I had set up work in Dubai and I was staying in Dubai".

Mr Mulligan said today that he searched Dowdall in the airport and took possession of his mobile phone. The father-of-four supplied Mr Mulligan with a pin number for his phone and informed the officer that there was correspondence on the handset from his solicitor. Mr Mulligan told Dowdall that he would not examine the phone until he received further directions from his superiors.

On the evening of May 19 2016, Dowdall was taken to the Criminal Courts of Justice Building to have his detention further extended. When Dowdall was returned to Clontarf Garda Station, Mr Mulligan said that two of the prisoner's daughters came to visit him. "While in that room, he said 'is there any way out'," said the witness. Mr Mulligan said he told Dowdall that he was not having "this conversation" with him.

Mr Mulligan said he had a further conversation with Dowdall on the evening of May 20 2016, when he was visited by his wife Patricia and one of her brothers. "As I was exiting the room, he [Dowdall] got up and asked could he talk to me in private. He asked if him and his family could get into the WPP".

Gerry 'The Monk' Hutch

Mr Mulligan said he told Dowdall "that was above me and for his solicitor and the DPP". The witness said he informed his superiors and that this encounter happened after Dowdall emerged from the doctor's room in the garda station where the visit was taking place.

Under cross-examination by Brendan Grehan SC, defending Mr Hutch, Mr Mulligan agreed he was the arresting officer for Dowdall and that he had waited to arrest him after he had gone through security at Dublin Airport. "He was there with his wife and three children. I allowed him to process himself through security, I wasn't going to do it in front of his family. I approached him as he was removing items from the tray," he said.

Mr Mulligan said it was only Dowdall leaving the country at that stage and that he had arrested him for the murder of Mr Byrne.

The witness said Dowdall had replied 'I think it's a joke' when he was told by the detaining member of An Garda Siochana that he could be kept for questioning for up to seven days.

Mr Mulligan said members of the Garda National Bureau of Criminal Investigation had interviewed Dowdall and that he was not involved in the process.

Asked by Mr Grehan why he was the arresting member, Mr Mulligan said it was for no particular reason and that he had a conversation with the late

Detective Superintendent Colm Fox [who led the investigation into the attack at the Regency Hotel], who informed him that Dowdall was to be arrested.

Mr Mulligan agreed that Dowdall could have been under no misapprehension at the time that he was being arrested for the murder of Mr Byrne at the Regency Hotel and was going to be detained for up to seven days.

He said he was later involved in bringing Dowdall to court where his detention was extended as the former councillor could only be detained for 48 hours from the time of his arrest.

Mr Grehan put it to the witness that when Dowdall had given evidence before Christmas he had said he only became aware he was to be questioned about the "Alexander Hurley matter" when he was brought before the District Court. "I didn't make the court aware of it and I can't recall it being said before the court," replied Mr Mulligan.

Mr Mulligan agreed with the lawyer that by this stage interviewing gardai "had moved on to the audio of Dowdall's trip up north" when his jeep was bugged.

The conversations between Mr Hutch and Dowdall took place when they were allegedly travelling north to a meeting in Strabane in Co Tyrone on March 7, 2016 in Dowdall's Toyota Land Cruiser jeep, that had been bugged by garda detectives.

David Byrne

The prosecution's case is that Mr Hutch had asked Dowdall to arrange a meeting with his provisional republican contacts to mediate or resolve the Hutch-Kinahan feud due to the threats against the accused's family and friends.

The court has heard that a USB key showing Dowdall and his father Patrick Dowdall torturing Alexander Hurley was found inside a kitchen press at Dowdall's house on the Navan Road in Cabra, when the address was searched on March 9 2016 as gardai believed that firearms and explosives were being stored there on behalf of the IRA.

In June 2017, Dowdall was sentenced to 12 years imprisonment and his father Patrick Dowdall eight years imprisonment after pleading guilty to falsely imprisoning Mr Hurley and threatening to kill him at Jonathan's family home on January 15, 2015.

Dowdall was later re-sentenced to 7 years and 11 months and Patrick Dowdall to four years imprisonment after successful appeals.

The barrister asked the witness at what point had Dowdall asked the question 'is there any way out?'. Mr Mulligan said it took place on May 19, when they had returned from the District Court after a judge had extended his detention period.

The witness added: "I supervised a visit between Jonathan Dowdall and his daughter, it was prior to her entering the room that he said that comment."

Mr Mulligan agreed gardai had interviewed Dowdall ten times by this time and that he told the prisoner he was not having that conversation with him. Dowdall's solicitor was with him throughout his detention, he said.

The witness also agreed that the next interaction he had with Dowdall was on May 20 at 6.30pm, when he asked the officer if they could talk in private. "He was having a visit with his wife and her brother and said 'can I talk to you in private and said can me and my family go into the WPP'. I said that's above me, you get your solicitor to talk to the DPP," said Mr Mulligan.

He agreed that he made a note of Dowdall's comment at the time and passed it onto his superiors. No decision had been taken at this stage as to whether Dowdall was to be charged with the murder of Mr Byrne, said the witness, adding that the former councillor was still being detained and questioned in relation to the murder of Mr Byrne at the Regency Hotel.

Asked by presiding judge Ms Justice Tara Burns if Dowdall was charged with murder when his detention came to an end, the witness said he wasn't and that he was charged in relation to another matter at the end of his detention period.

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